Craps Strategy Laying Odds
Basically, if you know your odds payoffs as a Right Bettor, then you will be able to lay odds easily as well. For instance, look at a don't pass/don't come bet on the 6 or 8. If you had been a Right Bettor, you would place $5 in odds to get a $6 payoff on the odds. (Odds amount x 20% plus odds amount). Sep 18, 2014 This Forum is Under Construction! By popular demand, it's the return of Heavy's Wrong Way Craps forum - where the discussions focus on the Dark Side of casino craps. Questions about playing the Don'ts, Lay Bets, and Laying Odds? You've come to the right place. You'll find all that - plus Dark Side strategies for Dice Influencers - and MORE. This craps payout chart is also a great tool if you are just starting to learn the craps strategy. That way you can see all of the odds displayed in one table and you'll be able to decide which bets are better than others. You can see why the free odds bet is such a great one and why some of the proposition bets are terrible.
Strategy #19
Professor H's Don't Pass Strategy
Professor H's method of play on the don't is intended to accomplish two things:
(1) playing time, and (2) occasional comparatively large wins.
Lay odds progressively, increasing the don't pass line bet only after reaching the maximum table odds.
To lay odds progressively, use an odds table similar to the one below. This odds table is for use with an initial don't pass line bet of $5 beginning with 1x odds.
The far left column contains the number of consecutive 7-outs, the line bet, and the odds won in multiples of the line bet.
The columns under the point numbers contain the dollar amount of the odds laid, and, in bold, the payoff on the odds.
This table begins with 1x odds, increasing to 2x after three consecutive 7-outs.
Naturals and craps are ignored when counting consecutive 7-outs.
After the third 7-out in a row, the total amount won increases by one initial line bet ($5 in this case) with each successive win. In other words, row 3 wins a total of $10, row 4 $15, row 5 $20, row 6 $25, row 7 $30, and so on. This progression is conservative, and results from some odds wagers winning fractional multiples of the line bet when the line bet is $10.
Do not make any don't come bets. (If you have a bankroll large enough to make don't come bets, begin with 2x or 3x odds, rather than 1x odds.)
After any point is made (won), start over at line 1.
To minimize losses to a run of winning points, either (1) switch to the pass line, playing your favorite pass line method, (2) do not lay odds on the don't pass line bet, or (3) stop betting on the shooter until he/she sevens-out.
| # of 7 - outs | Flat DP Bet | Odds Multiplier | 6- 8 odds amount | Odds amount paid if won | 5-9 odds amount | Odds amount paid if won | 4-10 odds amount | Odds amount paid if won |
| 1 | 5 | 1 | 6 | 5 | 9 | 6 | 10 | 5 |
| 2 | 5 | 1 | 6 | 5 | 9 | 6 | 10 | 5 |
| 3 | 5 | 1 | 6 | 5 | 9 | 6 | 10 | 5 |
| 4 | 5 | 2 | 12 | 10 | 15 | 10 | 20 | 10 |
| 5 | 5 | 3 | 18 | 15 | 24 | 16 | 30 | 15 |
| 6 | 5 | 4 | 24 | 20 | 30 | 20 | 40 | 20 |
| 7 | 5 | 5 | 30 | 25 | 39 | 26 | 50 | 25 |
| 8 | 5 | 6 | 36 | 30 | 45 | 30 | 60 | 30 |
| 9 | 5 | 7 | 42 | 35 | 54 | 36 | 70 | 35 |
| 10 | 5 | 8 | 48 | 40 | 60 | 40 | 80 | 40 |
| 11 | 5 | 9 | 54 | 45 | 69 | 46 | 90 | 45 |
| 12 | 5 | 10 | 60 | 50 | 75 | 50 | 100 | 50 |
| 13 | 10 | 5 | 60 | 50 | 75 | 50 | 100 | 50 |
| 14 | 10 | 5.5 | 66 | 55 | 84 | 56 | 110 | 55 |
| 15 | 10 | 6 | 72 | 60 | 90 | 60 | 120 | 60 |
| 16 | 10 | 6.5 | 78 | 65 | 99 | 66 | 130 | 65 |
| 17 | 10 | 7 | 84 | 70 | 105 | 70 | 140 | 70 |
| 18 | 10 | 7.5 | 90 | 75 | 114 | 76 | 150 | 75 |
| 19 | 10 | 8 | 96 | 80 | 120 | 80 | 160 | 80 |
| 20 | 10 | 8.5 | 102 | 85 | 129 | 86 | 170 | 85 |
| 21 | 10 | 9 | 108 | 90 | 135 | 90 | 180 | 90 |
| 22 | 10 | 9.5 | 114 | 95 | 144 | 96 | 190 | 95 |
| 23 | 10 | 10 | 120 | 100 | 150 | 100 | 200 | 100 |
Now when playing the passline I'm sometimes afraid to put down a big odds bet on the 4 & 10 unless I'm way up. If I'm down a lot it's very difficult for me to justify putting a bet down that I have a 33.3% chance of winning, even though it's going to pay me double if it hits and over 1,000,000 rolls I will break even. If I'm down to my last $100 and the point is 4 or 10 and I'm on the passline I usually don't put anything down or like $5
How much do odds do you like to bet on 4 or 10's passline or don't pass players compared to what you would put down on a 5, 6, 8, or 9?
On the don't pass, typically will lay max odds on 4/5/9/10 and typically won't lay any odds against 6/8. Sometimes I'll even over lay the 4/10.
Then again, I don't play craps much since there's no edge. Have yet to play craps with an edge, but the day I do, I'll play as long as the edge presents itself.
You know damn well the Wizard would be clucking at you for cutting back on the odds based on the past luck you had on the number.
Lay max odds and pay no attention to you past luck with any points. To keep it sane, just don't keep betting the DC, have a stopping point so you don't have too much in action.
You know damn well the Wizard would be clucking at you for cutting back on the odds based on the past luck you had on the number.
Very good response.
I feel happier about some things, such as a DC bet that travels to the Four or Ten, but I neither increase nor decrease the money on it than if it had traveled to the SIX or the Eight.
Its RANDOM.
How much do odds do you like to bet on 4 or 10's passline or don't pass players compared to what you would put down on a 5, 6, 8, or 9?
Playing pass line (and come) I typically bet single to double odds on 4,5,9,10 and double to triple odds on 6 and 8, depending on how I am doing. Sure sometimes the point hist when I under-bet it, and sometimes the 6 and 8 are wiped out by a 7-out in record time. And sometimes the reverse is true.
I've noticed that I need to be comfortable making a bet, or comfortable with the risk of making a baet, before I can make it habitually. For example, the good play is to let odds on come bets work on the come out roll. I know this, I even know why this is, and I rarely do it. Why? because I keep fretting about the big, bad seven which will eat my bets and not even spare the odds. The risk just seems too high and I'm uncomfortable with it.
It used to be that way with come bets at all, too, but I've gotten over it. What helped me was precise data on the risk vs reward I could expect, and practicing with Wincraps or other free craps games.
On a $10 line wager, that's $36 on point of 6/8 and $60 on all other points.
I know that mathematically this is a worse bet than laying full odds on all points.
If I'm at a $5 table, I sometimes do the same thing - $18/30/30 but for some reason the lower the original wager the easier it is for me to lay max odds.
I know that this plan is not logical.
I rarely make any other bet - I tend to play strictly DP+odds.
Today I had $175 in green chips and I wanted another green chip and the point was 10 so I did something that I now regret. I laid two green chips behind my $30 don't pass bet (point was 10) and I also put a hard 10 down for $10. A 10 immediately rolls easy! I lost $100 on that bet! Since I had the hard 10 covered, only one combination could kill me and guess what it did! Earlier at the table 4 or 10 was the point like 5 times in a row and only once did the shooter not make it. You can preach to me about odds all you want, the risk of losing $50 is not worth the reward of winning $25. Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
Two combinations could kill you. 4-6 and 6-4.
Today I had $175 in green chips and I wanted another green chip and the point was 10 so I did something that I now regret. I laid two green chips behind my $30 don't pass bet (point was 10) and I also put a hard 10 down for $10. A 10 immediately rolls easy! I lost $100 on that bet! Since I had the hard 10 covered, only one combination could kill me and guess what it did! Earlier at the table 4 or 10 was the point like 5 times in a row and only once did the shooter not make it. You can preach to me about odds all you want, the risk of losing $50 is not worth the reward of winning $25. Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
There is one thing that you forget.... Its an oldie but goodie..... Its called 'Sh*t Happens' LOL
One little suggestion I have for that might help in that situation is this... If you are playing the DP and a player hits 2 points and knocks you off. Leave him alone and wait for the next shooter. There are more than enough shooters that will throw a seven for you that to get murdered on the one 'good roll'. Another one is 'thou shall not Hedge'.. If you are playing the DP and feel the need to cover your bet... Your mind is telling you to take it down.... Most players get very nervous when there don't pass bet lingers for 9-13 rolls. But what you should realize is that the odds are in your favor, stay with it.... But if you see a guy who is repeating numbers, and you get knocked off, just wait for the next shooter. Its simple...
You may have loss that one result, but as you play more, that loss will be an after thought....
Today I had $175 in green chips and I wanted another green chip and the point was 10 so I did something that I now regret. I laid two green chips behind my $30 don't pass bet (point was 10) and I also put a hard 10 down for $10.
The difference between wanting and needing gets me many times.Why do you $30 don't pass bet?
Is this your system of play always?
That can not be the table minimum. just my opinion.
At $10 don't pass bet and always lay 2x odds ($40,$30 and $24) one would still have an average bet of $30
and would easily lose less over time verses always betting $30. not just my opinion.
Sure the comps would be way less than betting $30 dpass every come out roll
but I have a feeling they could overcome an actual session loss.
Here is an example of this over the Zumma actual casino dice rolls
s1 = $10 don't pass bet and always lay 2x odds
s2 = $30 don't pass bet
They were offered unlimited casino credit so they had no problem making every bet they wanted to make.
s1 had a session loss of $195 and was way way down at one point
Looks like the comps at cash back ($435) gave s1 a session win.
sweet sugar sugar Sugar
s2 lost way more and was even way down at one point.
comps were way higher than s1 as it should be but not enough cash back to erase the session loss.
That had to be paid (the large loss) and not much of a sugar sugar taste from that.
of course, no don't pass player would ever just make bets without ever laying the odds in my opinion. I know I am wrong thinking that way.
at least we would hope not
my opinion, I would rather like being in s1 shoes than s2 shoes
more fun pulling out a win from cash back with comps when more of your money is on the odds bets
this was fun